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And I certainly wouldn't be okay with another adult discussing these things, that creates a relationship that I feel is very inappropriate.
What did I do wrong? Or did I?
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My advice is to stop talking to your children about their father in a deragatory way, or at least back him up. Allowing their homophobic statements to go unchallenged is poor parenting and extremely disrespectful. I have a very close relationship with my adult children, but never would I discuss the penis size of my partners with them. It sounds like boundaries have been lacking in their lives for a very long time, and the lack of of those boundaries is continuing.
Am I reading correctly that you had sex with a stranger and 2 days later are considering moving him into your house? I don't see many circumstances where that makes any sort of sense.
Am I reading correctly that you had sex with a stranger and 2 days later are considering moving him into your house? I don't see many circumstances where that makes any sort of sense.
Children and his depression
First when children ask, I think you answer. While I've worked a good deal in sex and the like, I spent a good part of my time interested in physics and spirituality, which I find connected.
So kids first. Ray's son is stuck in why can't. I have a normal dad and probably the rampant Religious Right homos are an abomination BS.
Since my main formal studies are biology and brain sciences I am of the opinion that teens years they are not children. These are minor adults, i e biologically able to have children and yet not experienced enough they can be preyed upon by older adults. They need guides and mentors.
Society calling them children seems if anything to delay their mental and emotional development. What I call the 25 year old boy going on 6.
I would ask David if he thinks he should be EXACTLY like everyone else. As I read his questions and statements, I never heard you challenge his mental construct that there is this perfect norm.
The questions will allow him to see that no two tress are the same, yes they have roots, but some grow faster block the sun of the tree next to them.
Not everyone is a CEO not everyone has big tits or a big cock. all of us are part man and part woman. When I worked with my sisters gay friends I found that most were environmental (so events and surrounding changed them) and some were biological. Later during my biological/psych studies research showed this was actually true.
If a mother receives an emotional shock when the fetus is at two and/or 4 months, these children male or female tend to be gender confused. All of us are a femal matrix. This is why men have nipples. But the xy chromosome delivered by the male decides the physical sex of the baby at conception. The male emerges when there are two large hormone dumps at 2 months and 4 months.
So maybe easiest to understand this in the biological female homosexual.
We have a female matrix and a physical female, but if there is a shock like something that would trigger the flight/fight response, that female fetus gets a huge male hormone dump. This is the same hormone dump that the mother gives to the male child/female matrix that causes the overies to form into testicles and the clitoris to lengthen into a penis.
These women are born in female bodies, but have male wiring in the brain (let me not try to give you about 1000 hours of bio/brain stuff here, but sort of the reader's digest) these women don't want to play house and have dolls. If they are given dolls they tend to play war games with them. They like trucks and machinery. They like guy shit.
This same thing happens in the male and while he gets the hormones he also gets very feminine brain wiring. There was one study which found these biological male homosexuals had smoother muscle development (like a female) and usually low testosterone, higher estrogen and small penises. many had lower sperm counts, but with so many factors and studies being limited in size, it was impossible to know was this the hormone dump or the lower testosterone. And clear cause and effect, because scientist like this are like hissing cats and develop anal rententive psychs. So rather than there is, there might be.
We know we are assholes. Absolutely everyone of you knows you are an asshole. But being shown to be an asshole at the cocktail party when you have your perfect Malibu Babie (read Ken boys) on is embarrassing. Poor fucking scientists are actually a subset of humans, just like the rest of us boys and girls.
Makes for great science but fuzzy answers. And then throw in the Power of the Pope. To say... Where does it say in the Bible that the Sun does not go around the earth. Kill the heretic !!!
Btw all of us have these hormones and they are different levels. The guys who tend to be very muscular and have limited logical thinking tend to have higher testosterone, but not all. There are some very brainy men who also have muscular bodies.
In my own life, I am at the extreme level of brain development 99% creative, 98% spatial/3D visualizer, 95% tonal distinction, tonal memory in the 75 range. I am not going to bore you too much but in a 15 test battery I am over 75 in 12 and under in 3. Most "Normal" people are high in three and under in 12.
My IQ test place me in the 142 one scale and 171 in the other. I've never done the Army IQ.
Now all this sounds really cool and let me tell you I love my fucking brain but it is also a nightmare. Where most people go I want to be and like two things come up and they could NEVER be a hundred other things, I am the exact opposite. I actually have the ability to be 100 things. And with so much skill and so many choices, people with my type brain tend to choose this and oh that's interesting or yes that too. If you read my intro and think about what I have just said here, I have DONE more jobs and with a high level of skill than most people have even fantasized about. Again sounds cool and in a way it is.
But I can't keep my mind on anything. I am one of the leading neuro-scientist in the world, none of you have heard of me. I was one of the top masseurs in NYC. I was one of the top Ferrari mechanics, built houses, designed them and had to go to an architect to get the stamps to build them, Yale offered me a spot in both Architecture and Law and I have studied both, but have degrees in neither.
I have an athletic body I competed at Olympic levels in skiing, played professional tennis, are you getting this? Some place I mentioned I beat ten year old before my fourth birthday after learning how to swim three weeks before. At age 12 I learned to play golf. I had a wicked sliced. I would line up on a tee at a 45 degree angle, but at 12 could drive a ball 275-325 yards. I won the 16 and under at age 12 now I had MUCH more time 4 weeks in this case. I shot an 88. My father who is a good athlete has never broken 100 in his life.
I played chess with him at age 8. He one the first 8 games I won the next 40 (he was 40 at the time) so he took me to the NYC chess club to improve my skill and get my ass beat most times by grandmasters. My geek friend who I "forced" my HS gf to fuck came from there.
Yet? I have had 3000+ lovers and done more shit in sex than an accomplished porno star. I see those numbers as a testament of MY DYSFUNCTIONALITY.
Want to see the guy who does not fit in? Me!
I have thousands of acquaintances and friends I can count on one hand and have 3 fingers left over and I rarely see these friends.
Debbie, since it sounds like Ray is business successful, you have the money for him to do some pretty advanced and extensive DNA and fMRI testing. This might help him in knowing a bit more about who he is.
I am a very focused guy, but anyone reading my post know how fast my mind jumps from one thing to the next. I am studying physics at Berkeley because my prof won a fucking Nobel prize I've read the text book five times all his papers and I go halfway through the semester I hear what Schulties is doing at Harvard walk out of class and am in Boston the next week. Schulties is studying plants/psycho active ones and they are linked to my interest in physics and spirituality, but also there is some cool stuff going on in psych there so I take a few courses there and hit the med school. OK back to NYU and Coloumbia because I need some stuff in visual arts and business with a bit of bio and humans sexuality with a side order in computer science before it is a fucking science.
My daughters ask me anything I give them an answer and trust me I have way too many answers, which they think is cool, but Papa why can't you just.... Because I have this very weird type of brain. In my late twenties I am doing sexual therapy, damned near a resident at the HellFire club, masseur to NYC Ballet, neuromuscular specialist and advisor to a CEO in mergers and Aquistitions to a Fortune 500. "So what do you do for a living?" Major pause because I do not know the answer to THIS question.
Ray is likely more woman than he is man, but there is still this man part to him, just very subtle. Ray is an amazing care giver. I get that he lives a good deal of his feminine sexuality vicariously through you. I am wondering why he is not a more active participant in your Sunday church? Why when you are having a gangbang is Ray not getting his ass fucked and throat used while laying beside you getting triple penetrated?
Before when I mentioned embracing Ray this was a bit if what I was suggesting. Let Ray discover what Ray is and fucking celebrate that.
I could use a guy like Ray around me. I create companies and every time one was successful it was either a woman (4) or two men (1). It was NEVER me who made the money.mNot Once, Where I have a 99% creative brain and accurately my score was 99.99% one daughter has a 95% and the other a 5%. My older daughter has five high scores, my younger daughter 3. My wife and I were total opposites. I very creative, me could give a shit about money, even though I like and want it, but she was a banker and handled ALL our money. Lie a fucking wizard. It took three people to replace her at her job at the bank and they called nearly every day to ask advice. ( told them to pay, she was too modest and pay they did happily, because in this narrow field she is pure genius.)
My younger daughter can't think up an idea to save her life, but give her one and a few hints of direction and she is like a fucking pit bull. Writes amazing après once you get her rolling, but it is he blank sheet that scares her. Me? What do you mean I am off topic, you are just too stupid to see how this is related to that, but give me a few hours and I'll show you how they link.
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First when children ask, I think you answer. While I've worked a good deal in sex and the like, I spent a good part of my time interested in physics and spirituality, which I find connected.
So kids first. Ray's son is stuck in why can't. I have a normal dad and probably the rampant Religious Right homos are an abomination BS.
Since my main formal studies are biology and brain sciences I am of the opinion that teens years they are not children. These are minor adults, i e biologically able to have children and yet not experienced enough they can be preyed upon by older adults. They need guides and mentors.
Society calling them children seems if anything to delay their mental and emotional development. What I call the 25 year old boy going on 6.
I would ask David if he thinks he should be EXACTLY like everyone else. As I read his questions and statements, I never heard you challenge his mental construct that there is this perfect norm.
The questions will allow him to see that no two tress are the same, yes they have roots, but some grow faster block the sun of the tree next to them.
Not everyone is a CEO not everyone has big tits or a big cock. all of us are part man and part woman. When I worked with my sisters gay friends I found that most were environmental (so events and surrounding changed them) and some were biological. Later during my biological/psych studies research showed this was actually true.
If a mother receives an emotional shock when the fetus is at two and/or 4 months, these children male or female tend to be gender confused. All of us are a femal matrix. This is why men have nipples. But the xy chromosome delivered by the male decides the physical sex of the baby at conception. The male emerges when there are two large hormone dumps at 2 months and 4 months.
So maybe easiest to understand this in the biological female homosexual.
We have a female matrix and a physical female, but if there is a shock like something that would trigger the flight/fight response, that female fetus gets a huge male hormone dump. This is the same hormone dump that the mother gives to the male child/female matrix that causes the overies to form into testicles and the clitoris to lengthen into a penis.
These women are born in female bodies, but have male wiring in the brain (let me not try to give you about 1000 hours of bio/brain stuff here, but sort of the reader's digest) these women don't want to play house and have dolls. If they are given dolls they tend to play war games with them. They like trucks and machinery. They like guy shit.
This same thing happens in the male and while he gets the hormones he also gets very feminine brain wiring. There was one study which found these biological male homosexuals had smoother muscle development (like a female) and usually low testosterone, higher estrogen and small penises. many had lower sperm counts, but with so many factors and studies being limited in size, it was impossible to know was this the hormone dump or the lower testosterone. And clear cause and effect, because scientist like this are like hissing cats and develop anal rententive psychs. So rather than there is, there might be.
We know we are assholes. Absolutely everyone of you knows you are an asshole. But being shown to be an asshole at the cocktail party when you have your perfect Malibu Babie (read Ken boys) on is embarrassing. Poor fucking scientists are actually a subset of humans, just like the rest of us boys and girls.
Makes for great science but fuzzy answers. And then throw in the Power of the Pope. To say... Where does it say in the Bible that the Sun does not go around the earth. Kill the heretic !!!
Btw all of us have these hormones and they are different levels. The guys who tend to be very muscular and have limited logical thinking tend to have higher testosterone, but not all. There are some very brainy men who also have muscular bodies.
In my own life, I am at the extreme level of brain development 99% creative, 98% spatial/3D visualizer, 95% tonal distinction, tonal memory in the 75 range. I am not going to bore you too much but in a 15 test battery I am over 75 in 12 and under in 3. Most "Normal" people are high in three and under in 12.
My IQ test place me in the 142 one scale and 171 in the other. I've never done the Army IQ.
Now all this sounds really cool and let me tell you I love my fucking brain but it is also a nightmare. Where most people go I want to be and like two things come up and they could NEVER be a hundred other things, I am the exact opposite. I actually have the ability to be 100 things. And with so much skill and so many choices, people with my type brain tend to choose this and oh that's interesting or yes that too. If you read my intro and think about what I have just said here, I have DONE more jobs and with a high level of skill than most people have even fantasized about. Again sounds cool and in a way it is.
But I can't keep my mind on anything. I am one of the leading neuro-scientist in the world, none of you have heard of me. I was one of the top masseurs in NYC. I was one of the top Ferrari mechanics, built houses, designed them and had to go to an architect to get the stamps to build them, Yale offered me a spot in both Architecture and Law and I have studied both, but have degrees in neither.
I have an athletic body I competed at Olympic levels in skiing, played professional tennis, are you getting this? Some place I mentioned I beat ten year old before my fourth birthday after learning how to swim three weeks before. At age 12 I learned to play golf. I had a wicked sliced. I would line up on a tee at a 45 degree angle, but at 12 could drive a ball 275-325 yards. I won the 16 and under at age 12 now I had MUCH more time 4 weeks in this case. I shot an 88. My father who is a good athlete has never broken 100 in his life.
I played chess with him at age 8. He one the first 8 games I won the next 40 (he was 40 at the time) so he took me to the NYC chess club to improve my skill and get my ass beat most times by grandmasters. My geek friend who I "forced" my HS gf to fuck came from there.
Yet? I have had 3000+ lovers and done more shit in sex than an accomplished porno star. I see those numbers as a testament of MY DYSFUNCTIONALITY.
Want to see the guy who does not fit in? Me!
I have thousands of acquaintances and friends I can count on one hand and have 3 fingers left over and I rarely see these friends.
Debbie, since it sounds like Ray is business successful, you have the money for him to do some pretty advanced and extensive DNA and fMRI testing. This might help him in knowing a bit more about who he is.
I am a very focused guy, but anyone reading my post know how fast my mind jumps from one thing to the next. I am studying physics at Berkeley because my prof won a fucking Nobel prize I've read the text book five times all his papers and I go halfway through the semester I hear what Schulties is doing at Harvard walk out of class and am in Boston the next week. Schulties is studying plants/psycho active ones and they are linked to my interest in physics and spirituality, but also there is some cool stuff going on in psych there so I take a few courses there and hit the med school. OK back to NYU and Coloumbia because I need some stuff in visual arts and business with a bit of bio and humans sexuality with a side order in computer science before it is a fucking science.
My daughters ask me anything I give them an answer and trust me I have way too many answers, which they think is cool, but Papa why can't you just.... Because I have this very weird type of brain. In my late twenties I am doing sexual therapy, damned near a resident at the HellFire club, masseur to NYC Ballet, neuromuscular specialist and advisor to a CEO in mergers and Aquistitions to a Fortune 500. "So what do you do for a living?" Major pause because I do not know the answer to THIS question.
Ray is likely more woman than he is man, but there is still this man part to him, just very subtle. Ray is an amazing care giver. I get that he lives a good deal of his feminine sexuality vicariously through you. I am wondering why he is not a more active participant in your Sunday church? Why when you are having a gangbang is Ray not getting his ass fucked and throat used while laying beside you getting triple penetrated?
Before when I mentioned embracing Ray this was a bit if what I was suggesting. Let Ray discover what Ray is and fucking celebrate that.
I could use a guy like Ray around me. I create companies and every time one was successful it was either a woman (4) or two men (1). It was NEVER me who made the money.mNot Once, Where I have a 99% creative brain and accurately my score was 99.99% one daughter has a 95% and the other a 5%. My older daughter has five high scores, my younger daughter 3. My wife and I were total opposites. I very creative, me could give a shit about money, even though I like and want it, but she was a banker and handled ALL our money. Lie a fucking wizard. It took three people to replace her at her job at the bank and they called nearly every day to ask advice. ( told them to pay, she was too modest and pay they did happily, because in this narrow field she is pure genius.)
My younger daughter can't think up an idea to save her life, but give her one and a few hints of direction and she is like a fucking pit bull. Writes amazing après once you get her rolling, but it is he blank sheet that scares her. Me? What do you mean I am off topic, you are just too stupid to see how this is related to that, but give me a few hours and I'll show you how they link.
Cont
Children and his depression continued
Debbie you blog about the ancient Temples was something that sang to me and thank you for the link SENail (or something like that). Religion is a big interest of mine and I have studied damned near all from the majors to the minors to shit you have never even heard of.
I see one of our biggest problems, was when women and sex were pushed out of the Temple we took women who were highly elevated in society Love Goddesses living on Earth and reduced them to dumb slut/whore.
If a guy takes a ten million dollar job he is a BIg Swinging Dick
Woman marries ten million she is a gold digger and a whore who used sex to make her money
Give a guy a hammer and saw he builds a house you say great house.
Let a woman use her most powerful tool and you say, "you use SEX to get that, dumb cunt!
Tell a guy, You used a Hammer to drive that nail?!?! Pussy
A real man uses his forehead.
Sex and money are the cause of 95% of all divorces
We teach sex in schools girls! They want to use you, if you give them sex you will be seen as sluts and whores, now look at these pictures of all the diseases you can get. My daughters call it the Ewww course.
Money well we cannot talk about that, but notice how fucking ignorant people are about it. Both the creators of the debt swap sub primes (big swinging dicks) and the guy at MacDonalds selling fries buying the 400k home.
I remember once doing an intense session of S&M with a female executive, we end up fucking we do this like ten times. One night we are laying in bed after our session and I ask her how much money she makes....
I don't know you well enough to tell you that. <exact quote WTF!
Know me well enough to let me tie you helpless, whip the shit out of you fuck you in every hole, but money? Too intimate.
The seedling sex is dirty, you women who like sex, you women who think it is ok to fuck more than one man and god forbid you should have done that before you are married well you are the bottom of the social/religious rankings sluts and whores dirty foul subhumans.
If you have a penis and fuck tons of women well Mr Manly Studfucker we've been having a bit of trouble with these "niggers" (this is the generic nigger and should not be confused with Africans. These are niggers who are of any different race or religion that we would like to exploit for our maximum benefit) bombs bribes overthrow the government whatever you think is morally right.
We started hating the Russians because they talk about communism (ignore community) but thank god the slan eyedt chinks and Japs showed up and the chinks gave us a two for one because they were commie rats bastards as well.
Now we have the towel heads who really do more embracing of the dumb fuck slut, cut her clit off and put a full body bag on that bitch! But they say. Gawd's name wrong and won't certify Baby Jesus as a deity; bunch of sand niggers.
I am in Inja now where Coco Cola gets first shot at the water, fuck those locals Hindu/Buddhists, I mean fuck Buddha said life is suffering, we're just helping have a deeper religious experience. How's Coke doing in the market? I mean that IS the important question.
So tell Ray's son he is a douchebag. I am a Dom. And I am a man. And any truly aware Dom knows his fucking job is to serve a submissive' sneed (which if you have seen kdt26417 post is a Dutch word but I think might be connected in the String Theory to Submissive's Need) to serve. I am also a voyeur. I love to see my women in the throws of passion. The orgasm is the spiritual gateway. Could you get there some other way.
Hair shirts are on aisle 4 just past the Martha Stewart aisle. OK desert is that way see you in forty years. Abandon your family? No problem. I mean yes we say these are THE RULES but they are more guidelines. That your wife and children were reduced to slavery or whoring, well they are sluts and there is a nice opening waiting in the Saints section of Heaven.
Over at the towel heads 47 virgins? Yes you dumb fuck strap on this bomb.
I want a surgeon who has never studied surgery. I insist all my surgery be done by a virgin surgeon. I want to get in a plane with a pilot who has never flown one. The best pilots are one who have never seen a fucking plane. Virgins right.
I suspect that Ray's depression is part brain chemistry. At 5'9" he should ideally weigh 145-149. And children, sorry to tell you this there are No Big Bones.
At 200 he is eating stuff which is fucking with his brain chemistry. Wadaya mean? I put desiel in my car that takes gas and there is a problem? WTF!?!?
So douchebag thinks he got a lemon because we should all look and act exactly the same! No I was not slaughtering those women and children, I was making the world safe for Baby Jesus.
Douchebag has bought that bullshit hook line and sinker.
Part of the problem is So has Ray and so have you, even though you are sitting clearly on the other side of the fence.
And if you think you can lay this on Obama? Dubya was just as much a front man. Ever look at that guys beady, slight crossed eyes and the ears. Seen a picture of Alice the Bonobo chimp? If these are not second cousins, then he's the monkey's uncle. Most humans are 1.5% off the Bonobo. Dub ya,, I guess .75% totally missing link that boy. But of course in his favor, he was doing it all for the children and Baby Jesus.
Hope this helps you Debbie. Sorry if it bounced around. Having trouble seeing in the dim light after staring at the screen. Is NYCyndie still got her rifle pointed in my direction? Finger on or off the trigger?
So short recap. Look at how Margret digs then asks a big mind fuck of a question. Use this technique on douchebag, because that fuck does need therapy.
All kids pick on kids, especially the dumb kids trying to notch down the smart ones or the ugly unpopular kids smiling when Mr perfect takes a swan after learning his perfect cheerleader Barbie just sucked off four geeks!
And tell douchebag Ray probably does a better job taking care of you sexually BECAUSE he has guys over to fuck you. Any guy who thinks he can satisfy a woman thinks when she comes and her ears fall off and she says that was great, game over I win, wrong.
I can satisfy a woman because I know it takes at least 12 guys and they had better be different flavors (I know Malibu Barbie only wears Hot pink Angora, but I'm saying...) and a CUTE Shetland pony, then ask which type of dog she likes.
And please no comments about the dogs/no consent BS like you take you dog shopping to get his consent on dog food and tell him to get off the couch!
Also note that you do not make laws against things people are NOT doing. So go back and STUDY you. Bible, make note of every sexual prohibition and meditate grasshopper.
Side note: there are 8 references to homosexuality in the Bible and 121-127 depending in version and interpretation to heterosexual disgusting and forbidden behavior. So clearly Gawd thinks straight folks are the REAL PROBLEM here.
And to you douchebag cuckold husbands who bring two guys home to double penetrate your wife, what you can't fit another in the car? Stop whacking off and stuff your cock down her throat. You are disturbing the neighbors.
Plus you think a regular hummer is good (not that kind of a hummer you gear head) you have not lived til you've had a full raging she's having her tenth orgasm in under four minutes hummer.
And just to cover my ass on the legal front: This is not a substitute for medical or therapeutic advise, and should only be used for entertainment and educational purposes.
And to not hijack the thread too much, could someone answer the question: on Chinese Christmas lights For Indoor and Outdoor use, not to be used for the Other purposes.
I need clarification on Other Purposes
Thanks and be well.
Debbie you blog about the ancient Temples was something that sang to me and thank you for the link SENail (or something like that). Religion is a big interest of mine and I have studied damned near all from the majors to the minors to shit you have never even heard of.
I see one of our biggest problems, was when women and sex were pushed out of the Temple we took women who were highly elevated in society Love Goddesses living on Earth and reduced them to dumb slut/whore.
If a guy takes a ten million dollar job he is a BIg Swinging Dick
Woman marries ten million she is a gold digger and a whore who used sex to make her money
Give a guy a hammer and saw he builds a house you say great house.
Let a woman use her most powerful tool and you say, "you use SEX to get that, dumb cunt!
Tell a guy, You used a Hammer to drive that nail?!?! Pussy
A real man uses his forehead.
Sex and money are the cause of 95% of all divorces
We teach sex in schools girls! They want to use you, if you give them sex you will be seen as sluts and whores, now look at these pictures of all the diseases you can get. My daughters call it the Ewww course.
Money well we cannot talk about that, but notice how fucking ignorant people are about it. Both the creators of the debt swap sub primes (big swinging dicks) and the guy at MacDonalds selling fries buying the 400k home.
I remember once doing an intense session of S&M with a female executive, we end up fucking we do this like ten times. One night we are laying in bed after our session and I ask her how much money she makes....
I don't know you well enough to tell you that. <exact quote WTF!
Know me well enough to let me tie you helpless, whip the shit out of you fuck you in every hole, but money? Too intimate.
The seedling sex is dirty, you women who like sex, you women who think it is ok to fuck more than one man and god forbid you should have done that before you are married well you are the bottom of the social/religious rankings sluts and whores dirty foul subhumans.
If you have a penis and fuck tons of women well Mr Manly Studfucker we've been having a bit of trouble with these "niggers" (this is the generic nigger and should not be confused with Africans. These are niggers who are of any different race or religion that we would like to exploit for our maximum benefit) bombs bribes overthrow the government whatever you think is morally right.
We started hating the Russians because they talk about communism (ignore community) but thank god the slan eyedt chinks and Japs showed up and the chinks gave us a two for one because they were commie rats bastards as well.
Now we have the towel heads who really do more embracing of the dumb fuck slut, cut her clit off and put a full body bag on that bitch! But they say. Gawd's name wrong and won't certify Baby Jesus as a deity; bunch of sand niggers.
I am in Inja now where Coco Cola gets first shot at the water, fuck those locals Hindu/Buddhists, I mean fuck Buddha said life is suffering, we're just helping have a deeper religious experience. How's Coke doing in the market? I mean that IS the important question.
So tell Ray's son he is a douchebag. I am a Dom. And I am a man. And any truly aware Dom knows his fucking job is to serve a submissive' sneed (which if you have seen kdt26417 post is a Dutch word but I think might be connected in the String Theory to Submissive's Need) to serve. I am also a voyeur. I love to see my women in the throws of passion. The orgasm is the spiritual gateway. Could you get there some other way.
Hair shirts are on aisle 4 just past the Martha Stewart aisle. OK desert is that way see you in forty years. Abandon your family? No problem. I mean yes we say these are THE RULES but they are more guidelines. That your wife and children were reduced to slavery or whoring, well they are sluts and there is a nice opening waiting in the Saints section of Heaven.
Over at the towel heads 47 virgins? Yes you dumb fuck strap on this bomb.
I want a surgeon who has never studied surgery. I insist all my surgery be done by a virgin surgeon. I want to get in a plane with a pilot who has never flown one. The best pilots are one who have never seen a fucking plane. Virgins right.
I suspect that Ray's depression is part brain chemistry. At 5'9" he should ideally weigh 145-149. And children, sorry to tell you this there are No Big Bones.
At 200 he is eating stuff which is fucking with his brain chemistry. Wadaya mean? I put desiel in my car that takes gas and there is a problem? WTF!?!?
So douchebag thinks he got a lemon because we should all look and act exactly the same! No I was not slaughtering those women and children, I was making the world safe for Baby Jesus.
Douchebag has bought that bullshit hook line and sinker.
Part of the problem is So has Ray and so have you, even though you are sitting clearly on the other side of the fence.
And if you think you can lay this on Obama? Dubya was just as much a front man. Ever look at that guys beady, slight crossed eyes and the ears. Seen a picture of Alice the Bonobo chimp? If these are not second cousins, then he's the monkey's uncle. Most humans are 1.5% off the Bonobo. Dub ya,, I guess .75% totally missing link that boy. But of course in his favor, he was doing it all for the children and Baby Jesus.
Hope this helps you Debbie. Sorry if it bounced around. Having trouble seeing in the dim light after staring at the screen. Is NYCyndie still got her rifle pointed in my direction? Finger on or off the trigger?
So short recap. Look at how Margret digs then asks a big mind fuck of a question. Use this technique on douchebag, because that fuck does need therapy.
All kids pick on kids, especially the dumb kids trying to notch down the smart ones or the ugly unpopular kids smiling when Mr perfect takes a swan after learning his perfect cheerleader Barbie just sucked off four geeks!
And tell douchebag Ray probably does a better job taking care of you sexually BECAUSE he has guys over to fuck you. Any guy who thinks he can satisfy a woman thinks when she comes and her ears fall off and she says that was great, game over I win, wrong.
I can satisfy a woman because I know it takes at least 12 guys and they had better be different flavors (I know Malibu Barbie only wears Hot pink Angora, but I'm saying...) and a CUTE Shetland pony, then ask which type of dog she likes.
And please no comments about the dogs/no consent BS like you take you dog shopping to get his consent on dog food and tell him to get off the couch!
Also note that you do not make laws against things people are NOT doing. So go back and STUDY you. Bible, make note of every sexual prohibition and meditate grasshopper.
Side note: there are 8 references to homosexuality in the Bible and 121-127 depending in version and interpretation to heterosexual disgusting and forbidden behavior. So clearly Gawd thinks straight folks are the REAL PROBLEM here.
And to you douchebag cuckold husbands who bring two guys home to double penetrate your wife, what you can't fit another in the car? Stop whacking off and stuff your cock down her throat. You are disturbing the neighbors.
Plus you think a regular hummer is good (not that kind of a hummer you gear head) you have not lived til you've had a full raging she's having her tenth orgasm in under four minutes hummer.
And just to cover my ass on the legal front: This is not a substitute for medical or therapeutic advise, and should only be used for entertainment and educational purposes.
And to not hijack the thread too much, could someone answer the question: on Chinese Christmas lights For Indoor and Outdoor use, not to be used for the Other purposes.
I need clarification on Other Purposes
Thanks and be well.
I do not see Debbie doing that. I could say there are times when she shows her confusion and could easily have a more cohesive response.
It seems both Debbie and Ray have difficulties communicating. While her posts and blogs are rich, the problems I have is when she get to the he said she said parts.
I'll agree with your concepts, but not your wording.
To not challenge All of their narrow minded mental constructs is causing these children (whose ages I do not know, so let's us this word in a relational sense)
To grow up without learning to look at things from different points of view and these constructs are causing THEM to feel out of place in their own lives.
I think the word respect is totally over used and more of a truncheon than something of value.
If I have to use the word respect in relationship to me, I have not done what it takes to be respected. There are tons of people who respect me and hold me in high esteem. They are also clueless as to what a douche I regally am.
Without going back, if my memory serves, both children brought up penis size and are well aware of Ray's size or lack there of to statistical norms.
I would have asked if David's cock is the same size as Davidson's, which I bet it is not.
I would then ask David if he was less of a man?
Is the only measure of a man the size of his cock?
How about earning, where Davidson is sleeping on a friends couch (I am assuming it is not because he is getting the carpet replaced in his 4million dollar home, but might be financially strapped)
So in making money, which is in some ways part of our man measure
Ray comes out over Davidson and likely David
So do we put girly labels on David and Davidson, for their wimpy girly earnings skill?
Does this make Ray more manly?
In your boundaries division, when you get a statement followed by a question and you don't like the question steel walls go up? Is this your idea of good parenting?
Good parenting is discussing anything your children bring up and to do so honestly. I let my daughters see all my strengths and all my weaknesses including my confusion. While I supported them being sexual at anytime after they hit puberty, I also told them this is not casual stuff.
I also taught them about every bit of bullshit I used to get into women's pants. My daughters by 14 knew more about men's games than the best Playas out there. Guys tried to run game on them, they would tell them the next four lines in the script. Guy's dicks would wilt and they'd walk of the field.
I feel sorry for any guy who falls in love with my daughters (I am handsome, royal bloodlines Scots and Irish , my Wife was beautiful upper upper class in Japan, with exceptional brains and social skills) the blend of this is two brilliant (differently) beautiful (again very differently) but when one bf goes (usually not up to snuff, or a far better person has come along, and they are not married, they take that shit VERY seriously. My wife insisted I have lovers during our marriage and my daughters knew and we discussed in detail after her death) there are many men vying for a shot. Both my daughters know I am poly and BDSM plus and both have chosen what THEY want, fuck my advice and I totally support that.
Both my daughters attended top universities, both are socially well adjusted, but seem reasonably actually remarkably sane in this rather insane world. Both hold clear opinions and have good sound arguments to back them up, but also remain open minded and would think about anything if challenged.
When I see the word "boundaries" the anal red flag goes up for me, or the "oh your too young and stupid to understand." Diminish flag.
Children are very big people in small bodies. You would be amazed at what they know and what they are capable of knowing. In Japan it is traditional all for parents to sleep in the same room with babies and infants (up to age five to six) both my daughters woke up while my wife and I were having sex.
First time my wife and I froze and she was What do we do? I said. I didn't think freaking out would be good for our daughter's mental health, with both personal and research data to back this up. So we continued. Daughter looked for a minute or so and went to sleep.
Sex for my daughters is a natural and low emotional charge thing. They have their own tastes and preferences, but are very open minded. not everybody likes sushi.
Given all your boundary constructs I am not surprised. Debbie interacts sexually with many people and is likely in the extreme experience knowledge skill set.
She and Ray have discussed this and they are ok. Davidson has expressed his concerns and both Debbie and Ray have allayed them. I do not see them putting his name on the deed. They are sharing a bed with a guy who they want to be there, in a bed they share with many others.
Just a personal boundary question, feel free to ignore: how many times would you have to have sex with me before you would tell me how much money your earned or were worth?
SNeacail
New member
Not about them being able to understand. Personal DETAILS are none of their f'ing business. I'll discuss facts and hypothetical situations with my kids anytime, no problem, but they don't need to know what goes on in MY bedroom.
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First, they asked and Debbie has said her daughter different marriage his son different marriage both having sex with each other for a long time.
Son is going to sex parties and is into BDSM.
When my youngest saw my wife making love, she got down and looked carefully, said nothing and went back to sleep.
But a few days later in the bath, yes parents bath with their children in Japan as well, she asked why my cock looked smaller now than when it was going in and out of mama. I explained about being excited and she was like when I get candy, and I said sort of like that. She then asked if she could see my cock get hard and I said, if that came up, that yes it would be ok. Didn't and she forgot about it.
She wanted to know if I could fit inside her and I explained that it would not be safe and explained about puberty and she was so when I get boobies (opai is the Japanese word she used) like mama and I also explained that she would need to be careful about what she out inside her body.
My older daughter jumped in with knowing about germs and asked like that and I said yes. This was treated as normal information. We are their parents and we want them to be knowledgeable and safe.
We also taught them how to crawl down stair when they were babies, neither ever fell down stair, and taught them how to swim before they could walk.
I totally agree. I think a professional therapist and Margret would be my choice for both children, both with parents and in one to one.
I suspect both children have deep passive aggressive issues related to their upbringing and societal messages they got.
I did my best to always let my kids know what they saw on TV whether a children's show or the news always had two sides.
My cousin owns 47 wells in Iran (perhaps a virgin at each one) I asked him how much money he'd lost when the Shah was overthrown and the Ayatollah was America is the great Satan blah blah.
Answer zero. He was paid in full on time every month the government of Iran never missed a payment and never shorted him. What governments and religions do in the public eye and what goes on behind the scenes are two totally different things.
Take the church claiming it condemned pedophiles but moved one priest they knew was molesting children to eight different diocese to hide it from becoming public.
I can understanding the church wanting to hide the fact, but first time and send the guy to a monastery in some remote place where he has zero access to children seems the responsible move, not give him a new set of children eight different times.
Have a pedophile monetary where they have competent therapists. I personally think pedophila is a direct result religious teaching gone bad mixed with bad parenting. Some guy develops stunted social emotional skills, and adult woman is terrifying, well let me try this child who has no clue. When they succeed there and the church knows and does not stop them, that is a clear green light signal to continue the behavior.
This I've already discussed under healthy, flexible mental constructs which seem to be totally lacking in both Ray and both the children and to be there to a degree in Debbie.
Let's remember In therapy Ray admits Debbie tells him she loves him all the time, but he doesn't believe it.
Now part of this might be Debbie's stressing how big cocks are a big deal, but Debbie seems to be saying she loves and adores Ray, and Ray seems to be getting the. Big Cocks real truth, Debbie loves me false.
I think Margret is working up to this discussion, but needs to lay some groundwork to get there
I think it is again the style of her communication. Discussing or not is less an issue. She needs to be discounting that penis makes a human valuable.
It is like the big tit little tit deal.
I was in a snack in Japan (club where hostesses drink with you, no sex just female companionship) the man. I was with reached over and was feeling ones girls tits (she was new and yes I found the behavior odd) the girl next to me offered that. I could do the same to her. She had on a heavy brocade dress and I told her with dress and bra it would too difficult to tell.
She popped her dress open and said Dozo. So I reached and and I have a good skill set with my hands, so slide right into her bra and cup her breast felt around and then pinched and twirled her nipples getting a major excitement response in both face, breath and coloring.
She then said, "too small right?" To which I replied I thought her tits were perfect and that I prefer smaller tits and actually love smaller tits (this is in Japanese so the nuance is hard to get across in English)
The man I was with was a very high ranked member of a political party, so there were eight young ladies sitting with us. Within thirty seconds of my saying this, six of the girls had popped the fronts of their dresses wide open say, I have little ones!!!
One poor girl had a back zippered dress and nearly beat the girl sitting next to her to get her dress undone. When she pulled her dress down she pulled down the straps on her bra exposing her breast (keep in mind we are in a club in full view of the other guests, hostesses and staff)
Not to be out done by her all bras were off and the girl next to me had finally opened her dress gotten her bra off. A visual inspection was not enough, I was politely emended to touch and twirl, no you only did one of mine! Came up.
In the end I had to rank them and. I am very reluctant to do things if THAT nature, but eventually picked two and had to then re inspect them. This got to the well don't you think you'd better suck and I being a gentleman submitted to their wishes and included my friend who then went through the entire roster. Which required I do the same and I asked which guy was better at touching and sucking, I win hands down on all counts.
Well the upshot was the winner ended up waiting for us at the third club we went to and she was asked to see me safely home to a hotel miles from the club and minutes from my house!
I prefer women who are shaved and prefer they do not wear stockings. So found her I shaved, spanked her, shaved her, she insisted I spanker her again for her transgressions and we got into bed.
Three days later back in same club. Same group of girls. About fifteen minutes in there was a discussing of hair no hair and eight skirts came up, all shaved, all wearing stockings and not pantyhose no panties in sight. Shocking that you ladies would share such intimate details, we boys never talk about sex amoungst ourselves!
And we had to inspect these parts with a different winner this time. Who was number three in the breast department, number two breast coming in second,which she argued should be factored in to the total. I was once again required to take the winner and the runner up because if the breast and vulva 2nd place and worst I was required, well perhaps required is a strong word her. More felt it was y civic duty to give them a complete lesson in the word bisexual, which they did and excellent job of mastering, both girls insisted spanking be involved. It was not clear whether this was reward or punishment because we were getting near my linguistic limits. But multiple spankings were needed, perhaps it was a which bottom is nicer to spank contest. I am not sure I made a final decision, lack of blood to my neocortex and all, there was a distinct cock sucking contest, and lesson on deep throat, both mastered and while they were waiting for me to decide who was the better deep throat er, being diligent students and Japanese have a deserved reputation for, they practiced their bisexual lessons in a number of different positions, I assume to take the pressure off of me. This did involve licking cum out of pussies, so I was out back to work in the salt mines.
I staggered home exhausted. My wife a bit pissed that they had NOT been brought to the house so she could judge their skills relative to hers. My phone did have their number programmed in (outside my skill set, but well within every Japanese girls and they took two spaces in my speed dialer.
My wife called all three girls, she being VERY egalitarian, but it required a number if visits to our home to get any clear understanding of who was the winner.
Ah the things I have suffered.
So I think if Ray's ass and throat were compared to Debbie's pussy ass and throat and this were done over a long period of time, let's throw in Ray's massage skills and make the men compete, I think Ray's self esteem issues might be dramatically improved.
I mean even in the Catholic Church the assistant pastor gives the occasional sermon. I wonder why at Debbie's church it is not the same.
I think then Ray's penis size would become less of a focal point, which is what I am sensing might be a source of these problems, or certainly one of the main tributaries leading into the stream.
I am wondering if the key factor here isn't perspective.
If the mind starts every sentence with, "I am unsatisfied with Ray because ..." then the mind will soon start to see Ray (and Ray's attributes) in a negative light. However, if the mind starts every sentence with, "I am thankful to have Ray because ..." then the mind will soon start to see Ray (and Ray's attributes) in a positive light.
From what I have read so far, here on polyamory.sbs, Ray is a good man. Not a perfect man -- and I don't know any men who are perfect -- but a good, very good man. He gives the very best of what he has to offer. He is willing to work with a therapist to try to improve himself. He is loving and tender, and doesn't have a jealous bone in his body. He is an amazing provider. And I'm sure I could mention some more positives, but I trust you get the idea. Ray is a good enough man that he deserves to be seen in a positive light.
I don't like "tough guys" who brag about how they have, or would like to, beat the shit out of anyone they think is a "pussy." I don't have much respect for that kind of "toughness." I think the world is filled with too much toughness. It needs more tenderness. Much more tenderness. Might does not make right.
Whatever improvements/enhancements Ray can build into his way of doing things, I think the building will start after Ray truly feels that he is loved for just who and how he is. Kind of like how they say a problem won't go away until one attains a state of acceptance about the problem. People are like that too.
Debbie, I hope some of these posts are helping in some small way. Please do keep updating us and letting us know how things are going.
Sincerely,
Kevin T.
If the mind starts every sentence with, "I am unsatisfied with Ray because ..." then the mind will soon start to see Ray (and Ray's attributes) in a negative light. However, if the mind starts every sentence with, "I am thankful to have Ray because ..." then the mind will soon start to see Ray (and Ray's attributes) in a positive light.
From what I have read so far, here on polyamory.sbs, Ray is a good man. Not a perfect man -- and I don't know any men who are perfect -- but a good, very good man. He gives the very best of what he has to offer. He is willing to work with a therapist to try to improve himself. He is loving and tender, and doesn't have a jealous bone in his body. He is an amazing provider. And I'm sure I could mention some more positives, but I trust you get the idea. Ray is a good enough man that he deserves to be seen in a positive light.
I don't like "tough guys" who brag about how they have, or would like to, beat the shit out of anyone they think is a "pussy." I don't have much respect for that kind of "toughness." I think the world is filled with too much toughness. It needs more tenderness. Much more tenderness. Might does not make right.
Whatever improvements/enhancements Ray can build into his way of doing things, I think the building will start after Ray truly feels that he is loved for just who and how he is. Kind of like how they say a problem won't go away until one attains a state of acceptance about the problem. People are like that too.
Debbie, I hope some of these posts are helping in some small way. Please do keep updating us and letting us know how things are going.
Sincerely,
Kevin T.
So if they asked a direct question, like mom have you ever done drugs?
Or have you ever been to a rave? None of you fing business?
Mom my boyfriend what's to do anal? Go google that?
My read of Debbie life and what she said the kids said. Sounds certainly in David's case his knowledge extends back to when Ray was married to his mother. Marriage with Ray. And while I'm not very good with math, but I suspect his is over twenty (I only have that many fingers and toes, so can't speculate beyond that number.
Now I believe in some family boundaries like when my cousin asks what I had for lunch and I ate it in my bedroom I do tell her none of you fing business.
I have experience in that but can't discuss it here in polite company.
Oh ( not the big O or the Ophra O, but I shall meditate on that
I like that bit about perspective. I think generally Debbie seems to do more I like Ray than I don't like Ray.
We all have societal stuff to work through and the manual the nurse at the hospital gave me for how to live a perfect like, got some spit up on it so there are parts I can't make out. I am envious of everyone who probably has a pristine copy.
Since my kids were born and did the first segment of their life in Japan, my how to raise the perfect child manuals are in Japanese. I showed the book to google translate, but all I get is eye rolls and a put data in here.
Again green with envy.
I have met a few tough guys like you mentioned. I was surprised at how many of them ended up total bottoms.
The only tough guy I read about who I admire was the Republican congress man gay basher, who found Jesus in his heart and visited men's bathrooms at the Greyhound Bus terminal, a known hang out of gays.
His religious devotion was so deep he always fell to his knees to pray for their salvation. I am sure the rest of the story has logical reasons, I think he was just asking the young man's help to clear his throat when he was choked up by the appearance of God, Jesus and the Virgin Mary who were there to lend moral support.
No other reason seems to make any sense.
Bluebird
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I really think it makes a difference how old these children are as well. I am understanding them to be adult children, not young kids or teenagers. But even with my adult children - I have a 25 and a 24 year old - I still maintain appropriateness. Details aren't always welcomed or needed. Certainly I would not share this sort of info with my 17 year old. Hypothetical, sure. But specifics? No.
Steel walls? No. My children don't need to know the size of my partners' penises, nor do they need to know what my favorite position is. If they were to ask, I would try to understand why they are asking - is there an issue they need guidance with, etc. We can discuss all sorts of things without crossing over into territory that breaks that barrier of appropriateness. My husband doesn't even know my boyfriend's favorite position, or who has the bigger cock. He has no need to know this. If he asked, again, I would try to understand what is prompting the question.
Ok. I don't disagree with this.
To me, the word boundary does not mean too stupid. It does mean being appropriate. All of my children were horrifically abused and harmed in their birth homes. (They were all adopted as older kiddos.) Talking to them about sex has always been a priority, because they have had some very confused ideas about what sex is and how it should be in a loving relationship. Hell, they had issues surrounding the ideas of the word family and what that means.
What makes me hesitant about this is that Davidson could potentially bring all sorts of drama and upheaval into her life, when she already seems to have a full plate of it. I subscribe to the idea that you get your house in order before adding more people into it. She and Ray are seeing a therapist and trying to get a handle on themselves. Adding more relationships into the mix could potentially hinder or harm that process. Maybe Debbie is a pro at juggling multiple relationships and having more emotions and people to handle won't be an issue. I doubt it, but it is a possibility. The fact that she knows close to zero about Davidson's background and circumstances increases the possibility of something happening that will take away from her focus on strengthening her relationship with Ray.
I moved my boyfriend into my home after a few months. But my relationship with my husband was very strong, and he is not struggling with depression.
No sex at all needed. I'm a "trophy wife" AKA stay at home mom. I don't earn money at the present time. We made this decision when we adopted our youngest daughter. Because of this decision, we're a lower middle class household. *shrugs*
Steel walls? No. My children don't need to know the size of my partners' penises, nor do they need to know what my favorite position is. If they were to ask, I would try to understand why they are asking - is there an issue they need guidance with, etc. We can discuss all sorts of things without crossing over into territory that breaks that barrier of appropriateness. My husband doesn't even know my boyfriend's favorite position, or who has the bigger cock. He has no need to know this. If he asked, again, I would try to understand what is prompting the question.
Ok. I don't disagree with this.
To me, the word boundary does not mean too stupid. It does mean being appropriate. All of my children were horrifically abused and harmed in their birth homes. (They were all adopted as older kiddos.) Talking to them about sex has always been a priority, because they have had some very confused ideas about what sex is and how it should be in a loving relationship. Hell, they had issues surrounding the ideas of the word family and what that means.
What makes me hesitant about this is that Davidson could potentially bring all sorts of drama and upheaval into her life, when she already seems to have a full plate of it. I subscribe to the idea that you get your house in order before adding more people into it. She and Ray are seeing a therapist and trying to get a handle on themselves. Adding more relationships into the mix could potentially hinder or harm that process. Maybe Debbie is a pro at juggling multiple relationships and having more emotions and people to handle won't be an issue. I doubt it, but it is a possibility. The fact that she knows close to zero about Davidson's background and circumstances increases the possibility of something happening that will take away from her focus on strengthening her relationship with Ray.
I moved my boyfriend into my home after a few months. But my relationship with my husband was very strong, and he is not struggling with depression.
No sex at all needed. I'm a "trophy wife" AKA stay at home mom. I don't earn money at the present time. We made this decision when we adopted our youngest daughter. Because of this decision, we're a lower middle class household. *shrugs*
Hello everyone!
My name is Ray.
You have read Debbie's posts about me and us. And I have read all of the responses. I felt it only right to step in and put in my two cents worth here.
I love Debbie very much and I know that she loves me. She is the woman I had always dreamed of. It is very hard to give an opinion when you have only one side to speak from. This I understand. I wanted to let everyone in on my side of the story. So, he I go. I do get depressed at times because I am not everything I want to be, or that everyone else wants me to be, but I counter my depressive feelings by realizing that I have a wife who loves me and that I am a very successful man. I own my home, out right. And I have a wife who loves me and cares about me. And I think that my life, over all, is quite nice, possibly above average.
As far as my penis size, Debbie brings it up because of the pride I take in my small size. I feel that my small size makes me unique. From what I have seen in my own sexual life, as well as my ex-wife's sexual life, the sexual lives of others we have known and Debbie's lovers, I know that I am very undersized when compared to other men. This is not something I am ashamed of. And I have told Debbie that I actually like it when she tells others that I have a small penis. For me it is a matter of pride rather than shame.
I have read responses where people have put Debbie down for talking of my size and comparing it to other men. That is something that took some time for Debbie to be able to do. She always wants to tell me how big I am and how much I please her sexually. Odd as it may seem, I like it when she calls my penis a baby dick. I actually like it when she tells me that I am "such a girl." These are things that did not come natural to Debbie to say to me. It took time for her to become comfortable saying these things to me.
Debbie has always been very sexual and that is what attracted me to her. I am also very attracted to the phallus. Men have always fascinated me. I may be very successful in business, but I enjoy being submissive at home. It took Debbie a long time before she became comfortable with taking control of the household finances and of our marital and major decisions. Debbie constantly tells me that she wishes that I would make more decisions, but I do not like making decisions. I like being told what to do, what I can and can not do. Debbie is still working on that.
Debbie knows that I like being told that I am like a little boy and that other men are more manly. Debbie knows that her saying these things pleases me. It is hard on Debbie sometimes. And I know this. Debbie tells me often that I please her and that I am the love of her life. And I believe her, but I also have a hard time believing her. I have never been able to take compliments easily. At work I know that I am the best there is. At home I want to be good. I want to please Debbie. I want to make her happy. And she makes me happy by having sex with other men and letting me watch.
There are men that I work with that have been sexual with Debbie, and nothing has ever been said at work about it. The men I work with who have been sexual with Debbie see me as enlightened and "A hell of a guy." Three of the men I work with, daily, have told me several times that Debbie is better than their wives ever could be. And that pleases me to hear that. When the men I work with have told me that Debbie has done for or with them things that their wives won't do, that makes me proud of her. And it makes me proud to say that Debbie is my wife.
My "depression" mostly stems from my feelings of not being good enough. It is not something sexual, or physical. Rather, it is when I don't do enough for Debbie. As far as sexually pleasing Debbie, I believe that is what other men are for. To me, the way I feel good is when I am able to provide for Debbie, financially as well as finding men for her to play with. I also enjoy doing domestic duties. These are things that please me. When I don't do enough,or Debbie is not happy with what I have or have not done, that is when I feel down.
Relating to Thursday of this week, when my son and Debbie's daughter were at our house; I want it known that my son is twenty-seven years old and Debbie's daughter is twenty-one years old. They are both adults with rights to their opinions and feelings. My son, David, has always felt embarrassed of me. Yet, David does someday hope to be as financially successful as I have been. David has always overcompensated in the area of masculinity because I have had so little of it. I understand his anger toward me.
Debbie and I have both been very open with our children and believe that it is beneficial to them to grow up around openness and honesty. I have heard David brag about his growing up years to his friends. He is not totally unhappy with his past. Where my son's anger stems from is in the fact that I was so feminine and his friends made fun of me when he was growing up. He has also strongly disliked that I do not/will not stand up for myself. I can understand his disappointment, but I also must be true to myself.
Where I see Debbie as such a wonderful person is in the fact that she lives, truly lives, life to the fullest. Debbie has lived out every one of hers and my fantasies many times over. Debbie has had countless lovers which is reminiscent of my growing up years. The fact that she and Davison stayed up all night and played and are currently cuddled in each others arms is proof of this fact.
I know that Debbie is a very strong woman and can defend herself, but I wanted it to be known that I am not living a bad life. I very much enjoy my life with Debbie. When I am the least happy is when she is not having sex with others, which thankfully is rare. I am more gay than I am bi or straight. Where some of my depressive thoughts come from is in that I have not been true to my own sexual nature, mostly out of feelings of shame in what I love. My father was not happy when I cross dressed, or when I had male friends spend the night. My father always told me to "Be a man." The problem with that was that I felt more comfortable being a girl. I dated girls mostly to make my parents happy, and luckily the girls I dated enjoyed sex with others.
I do live vicariously through Debbie on a sexual level because although I prefer sex with men I do not act on those desires. When I have had sex with men it has been because of Debbie making it happen with her lovers. The only other times that I have acted on my desires has been at the adult theater where a good number of men are gay or bi. Those are times when I have felt comfortable enough to be who I know I truly am in Debbie's presence.
Many of the responses I have read here have been supportive and others have been judgmental. And other responses have been off and made very little sense. I feel that most of the responses to Debbie's post have been helpful in the very least. I thank you for that.
I will not ramble on. I just wanted to introduce myself and state where I stand.
My name is Ray.
You have read Debbie's posts about me and us. And I have read all of the responses. I felt it only right to step in and put in my two cents worth here.
I love Debbie very much and I know that she loves me. She is the woman I had always dreamed of. It is very hard to give an opinion when you have only one side to speak from. This I understand. I wanted to let everyone in on my side of the story. So, he I go. I do get depressed at times because I am not everything I want to be, or that everyone else wants me to be, but I counter my depressive feelings by realizing that I have a wife who loves me and that I am a very successful man. I own my home, out right. And I have a wife who loves me and cares about me. And I think that my life, over all, is quite nice, possibly above average.
As far as my penis size, Debbie brings it up because of the pride I take in my small size. I feel that my small size makes me unique. From what I have seen in my own sexual life, as well as my ex-wife's sexual life, the sexual lives of others we have known and Debbie's lovers, I know that I am very undersized when compared to other men. This is not something I am ashamed of. And I have told Debbie that I actually like it when she tells others that I have a small penis. For me it is a matter of pride rather than shame.
I have read responses where people have put Debbie down for talking of my size and comparing it to other men. That is something that took some time for Debbie to be able to do. She always wants to tell me how big I am and how much I please her sexually. Odd as it may seem, I like it when she calls my penis a baby dick. I actually like it when she tells me that I am "such a girl." These are things that did not come natural to Debbie to say to me. It took time for her to become comfortable saying these things to me.
Debbie has always been very sexual and that is what attracted me to her. I am also very attracted to the phallus. Men have always fascinated me. I may be very successful in business, but I enjoy being submissive at home. It took Debbie a long time before she became comfortable with taking control of the household finances and of our marital and major decisions. Debbie constantly tells me that she wishes that I would make more decisions, but I do not like making decisions. I like being told what to do, what I can and can not do. Debbie is still working on that.
Debbie knows that I like being told that I am like a little boy and that other men are more manly. Debbie knows that her saying these things pleases me. It is hard on Debbie sometimes. And I know this. Debbie tells me often that I please her and that I am the love of her life. And I believe her, but I also have a hard time believing her. I have never been able to take compliments easily. At work I know that I am the best there is. At home I want to be good. I want to please Debbie. I want to make her happy. And she makes me happy by having sex with other men and letting me watch.
There are men that I work with that have been sexual with Debbie, and nothing has ever been said at work about it. The men I work with who have been sexual with Debbie see me as enlightened and "A hell of a guy." Three of the men I work with, daily, have told me several times that Debbie is better than their wives ever could be. And that pleases me to hear that. When the men I work with have told me that Debbie has done for or with them things that their wives won't do, that makes me proud of her. And it makes me proud to say that Debbie is my wife.
My "depression" mostly stems from my feelings of not being good enough. It is not something sexual, or physical. Rather, it is when I don't do enough for Debbie. As far as sexually pleasing Debbie, I believe that is what other men are for. To me, the way I feel good is when I am able to provide for Debbie, financially as well as finding men for her to play with. I also enjoy doing domestic duties. These are things that please me. When I don't do enough,or Debbie is not happy with what I have or have not done, that is when I feel down.
Relating to Thursday of this week, when my son and Debbie's daughter were at our house; I want it known that my son is twenty-seven years old and Debbie's daughter is twenty-one years old. They are both adults with rights to their opinions and feelings. My son, David, has always felt embarrassed of me. Yet, David does someday hope to be as financially successful as I have been. David has always overcompensated in the area of masculinity because I have had so little of it. I understand his anger toward me.
Debbie and I have both been very open with our children and believe that it is beneficial to them to grow up around openness and honesty. I have heard David brag about his growing up years to his friends. He is not totally unhappy with his past. Where my son's anger stems from is in the fact that I was so feminine and his friends made fun of me when he was growing up. He has also strongly disliked that I do not/will not stand up for myself. I can understand his disappointment, but I also must be true to myself.
Where I see Debbie as such a wonderful person is in the fact that she lives, truly lives, life to the fullest. Debbie has lived out every one of hers and my fantasies many times over. Debbie has had countless lovers which is reminiscent of my growing up years. The fact that she and Davison stayed up all night and played and are currently cuddled in each others arms is proof of this fact.
I know that Debbie is a very strong woman and can defend herself, but I wanted it to be known that I am not living a bad life. I very much enjoy my life with Debbie. When I am the least happy is when she is not having sex with others, which thankfully is rare. I am more gay than I am bi or straight. Where some of my depressive thoughts come from is in that I have not been true to my own sexual nature, mostly out of feelings of shame in what I love. My father was not happy when I cross dressed, or when I had male friends spend the night. My father always told me to "Be a man." The problem with that was that I felt more comfortable being a girl. I dated girls mostly to make my parents happy, and luckily the girls I dated enjoyed sex with others.
I do live vicariously through Debbie on a sexual level because although I prefer sex with men I do not act on those desires. When I have had sex with men it has been because of Debbie making it happen with her lovers. The only other times that I have acted on my desires has been at the adult theater where a good number of men are gay or bi. Those are times when I have felt comfortable enough to be who I know I truly am in Debbie's presence.
Many of the responses I have read here have been supportive and others have been judgmental. And other responses have been off and made very little sense. I feel that most of the responses to Debbie's post have been helpful in the very least. I thank you for that.
I will not ramble on. I just wanted to introduce myself and state where I stand.
Ray you're spectacular
Pardon the odd formating. My internet goes in and out. It just dropped nearly twenty minutes of my writing to Ray who I am thrilled is here. This was done in a baby wapro on an iPad which for all its wonder has gotten a fail from me in what I expect from apple products.
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do get depressed at times because I am not everything I want to be, or that everyone else wants me to be,
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I empathize. I had a nervous breakdown briefly in my teens. I'd heard symphonies in my head since childhood, learned to write music, but could not play.
I had to take my compositions to my friends at Juilliard to hear them, and they were never as rich, because I lacked the knowledge of conducting.
I finally just gave up music, still hear it and accept that it is the universe' shift to me. However being the eternal optimist, I hope to get back to it.
Maybe when I find that mature woman and establish a relationship (is this emotional maturity or an old broad ?) maybe when we go unicorn hunting I'll look for that hot bi babe who goes to Juilliard or. Berkely School. Or is this brand shopping limiting my unicorn hunting experience? I've never hunted one before.
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the pride I take in my small size. I feel that my small size makes me unique.
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I'd like you to notice your word choice of "pride" and "unique."
I have known only a few men like you, but I find this a health mind.
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I am also very attracted to the phallus. Men have always fascinated me. I may be very successful in business, but I enjoy being submissive at home.
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I see this as two things. I noticed men on the small side, down to say 4.5 were interested in my teaching them massage, movement and how to be a better lover.
Men under that size were far more fem and cock worshippers outright.
I remember a comedian saying all men were gay. His argument when watching porn, do you want a guy with a small dick fucking the girl. So your into big dicks.
I am not a massive size fan. Because I knew many men who were large like John Holmes and could rarely just let go and slam fuck. I feel sorry for these men. Even with an experienced woman, it is rare to find one who can take rough trusts.
The submissive at home I have encountered at home. I mentored a lawyer (female who ended up a very exclusive pro domme . You could not even apply if you could not spend $250k per year minimum.) her clients were mainly CEOs, super high level stock traders, and people shot in the ass with trust funds.
These men saw this as a release from business pressure. When you are firing 2,000 people because you did not anticipate a downturn/dry up/breakthrough, and you know these guys are going to suffer (talk about your unrealistic expectations), some if these men knew me personally/socially.
So for them the level of humiliation when she and I would be sitting discussing life while he crawled around cleaning her house, before she thrashed him and made him do it again.
One day at one of our clubs, he saw me and blushed, I signaled him to come over and told him he had no right looking at me without paying some tribute. A check arrived at my office the next day for $1000. I called him and said I thought he had a great sense of humor. With fifteen minutes his personal assistant was at my door with a check for $10,000. He later learned of my massage work and paid me yearly retainers for both wife and daughter, a stuck up priss at Bryn Mar. His domme used to ask me to bring my well endowed friends. I am only 7.5, for him to fluff while she was berating him for his lack of cleaning skills. She had a very large very clean house.
She liked me to be there because she knew he knew me socially and it increased his feeling of humiliation. I am not a big fan of humiliation, but saw my role as one of service to his needs.
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My "depression" mostly stems from my feelings of not being good enough. It is not something sexual, or physical.
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I question the physical. I suspect because of your and Debbie's weight that visiting the dietdoctor.com (Swedish doctor who thinks people should eat real food) would improve both your health and some of your less than optimal brain chemistry.
I wrote Debbie that due to you financial success, it would be good to get a full DNA, fMRI and pheromone, blood work set done. She has my email and I would be happy to advise you two off line.
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David does someday hope to be as financially successful as I have been. David has always overcompensated in the area of masculinity because I have had so little of it. I understand his anger toward me.
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Understanding and supporting what is an unhealthy mental construct are two different things.
I think David and her daughter might benefit from having sessions both as a full group and in varying pairs and one on one with Margret. Debbie might be the best to make this approach
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Debbie and I have both been very open with our children and believe that it is beneficial to them to grow up around openness and honesty.
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I think this is very healthy. I've spent countless hours studying medicine, biochemistry, psychology and the like in hopes of having sufficient knowledge to be a good parent.
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Where my son's anger stems from is in the fact that I was so feminine and his friends made fun of me when he was growing up. He has also strongly disliked that I do not/will not stand up for myself. I can understand his disappointment, but I also must be true to myself.
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This is actually standing up for yourself. Paradoxical, but true nonetheless.
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. My father was not happy when I cross dressed, or when I had male friends spend the night. My father always told me to "Be a man." The problem with that was that I felt more comfortable being a girl.
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I think and latest research is showing you are likely more female than male. The smaller penis derived from a testosterone overlay on the female clitoris matrix, that your testicles do not produce sperm, leads me to believe during your intrauterine development, you received insufficient hormone level to fully override your female matrix.
We see this in the biological female homosexual who gets too much testosterone at critical points, she is in a female body, often with larger clitoris and distinct male brain wiring.
Again the tests. I mentioned before would help and might give your son a different perspective to consider. It would help that the information came from a scientific base that he might respect more than his "faggy dad."
Glad you have joined in and hope this is useful.
Pardon the odd formating. My internet goes in and out. It just dropped nearly twenty minutes of my writing to Ray who I am thrilled is here. This was done in a baby wapro on an iPad which for all its wonder has gotten a fail from me in what I expect from apple products.
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do get depressed at times because I am not everything I want to be, or that everyone else wants me to be,
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I empathize. I had a nervous breakdown briefly in my teens. I'd heard symphonies in my head since childhood, learned to write music, but could not play.
I had to take my compositions to my friends at Juilliard to hear them, and they were never as rich, because I lacked the knowledge of conducting.
I finally just gave up music, still hear it and accept that it is the universe' shift to me. However being the eternal optimist, I hope to get back to it.
Maybe when I find that mature woman and establish a relationship (is this emotional maturity or an old broad ?) maybe when we go unicorn hunting I'll look for that hot bi babe who goes to Juilliard or. Berkely School. Or is this brand shopping limiting my unicorn hunting experience? I've never hunted one before.
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the pride I take in my small size. I feel that my small size makes me unique.
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I'd like you to notice your word choice of "pride" and "unique."
I have known only a few men like you, but I find this a health mind.
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I am also very attracted to the phallus. Men have always fascinated me. I may be very successful in business, but I enjoy being submissive at home.
End quote
I see this as two things. I noticed men on the small side, down to say 4.5 were interested in my teaching them massage, movement and how to be a better lover.
Men under that size were far more fem and cock worshippers outright.
I remember a comedian saying all men were gay. His argument when watching porn, do you want a guy with a small dick fucking the girl. So your into big dicks.
I am not a massive size fan. Because I knew many men who were large like John Holmes and could rarely just let go and slam fuck. I feel sorry for these men. Even with an experienced woman, it is rare to find one who can take rough trusts.
The submissive at home I have encountered at home. I mentored a lawyer (female who ended up a very exclusive pro domme . You could not even apply if you could not spend $250k per year minimum.) her clients were mainly CEOs, super high level stock traders, and people shot in the ass with trust funds.
These men saw this as a release from business pressure. When you are firing 2,000 people because you did not anticipate a downturn/dry up/breakthrough, and you know these guys are going to suffer (talk about your unrealistic expectations), some if these men knew me personally/socially.
So for them the level of humiliation when she and I would be sitting discussing life while he crawled around cleaning her house, before she thrashed him and made him do it again.
One day at one of our clubs, he saw me and blushed, I signaled him to come over and told him he had no right looking at me without paying some tribute. A check arrived at my office the next day for $1000. I called him and said I thought he had a great sense of humor. With fifteen minutes his personal assistant was at my door with a check for $10,000. He later learned of my massage work and paid me yearly retainers for both wife and daughter, a stuck up priss at Bryn Mar. His domme used to ask me to bring my well endowed friends. I am only 7.5, for him to fluff while she was berating him for his lack of cleaning skills. She had a very large very clean house.
She liked me to be there because she knew he knew me socially and it increased his feeling of humiliation. I am not a big fan of humiliation, but saw my role as one of service to his needs.
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My "depression" mostly stems from my feelings of not being good enough. It is not something sexual, or physical.
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I question the physical. I suspect because of your and Debbie's weight that visiting the dietdoctor.com (Swedish doctor who thinks people should eat real food) would improve both your health and some of your less than optimal brain chemistry.
I wrote Debbie that due to you financial success, it would be good to get a full DNA, fMRI and pheromone, blood work set done. She has my email and I would be happy to advise you two off line.
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David does someday hope to be as financially successful as I have been. David has always overcompensated in the area of masculinity because I have had so little of it. I understand his anger toward me.
End quote
Understanding and supporting what is an unhealthy mental construct are two different things.
I think David and her daughter might benefit from having sessions both as a full group and in varying pairs and one on one with Margret. Debbie might be the best to make this approach
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Debbie and I have both been very open with our children and believe that it is beneficial to them to grow up around openness and honesty.
End quote
I think this is very healthy. I've spent countless hours studying medicine, biochemistry, psychology and the like in hopes of having sufficient knowledge to be a good parent.
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Where my son's anger stems from is in the fact that I was so feminine and his friends made fun of me when he was growing up. He has also strongly disliked that I do not/will not stand up for myself. I can understand his disappointment, but I also must be true to myself.
End quote
This is actually standing up for yourself. Paradoxical, but true nonetheless.
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. My father was not happy when I cross dressed, or when I had male friends spend the night. My father always told me to "Be a man." The problem with that was that I felt more comfortable being a girl.
End quote
I think and latest research is showing you are likely more female than male. The smaller penis derived from a testosterone overlay on the female clitoris matrix, that your testicles do not produce sperm, leads me to believe during your intrauterine development, you received insufficient hormone level to fully override your female matrix.
We see this in the biological female homosexual who gets too much testosterone at critical points, she is in a female body, often with larger clitoris and distinct male brain wiring.
Again the tests. I mentioned before would help and might give your son a different perspective to consider. It would help that the information came from a scientific base that he might respect more than his "faggy dad."
Glad you have joined in and hope this is useful.
Welcome to this thread Ray, I am glad you could join us. I've been interested to hear your take on these various things.
I can see where I have misunderstood parts of the story here and there. Sometimes I think Debbie loves and accepts you unconditionally, other times I think she is unsure of what she should want. A previous thread she had started was called, I Wish my hubby was more like new boyfriend. In it, she described how manly/assertive her new boyfriend was and I supposed that was what she wanted. Since then, she has clarified that she mostly wants to improve her quality of communication with you.
Hopefully there will be more posts on this thread and I'll have some more material come to my mind that I want to post. For now I am mostly just absorbing the broader perspective.
Regards,
Kevin T.
I can see where I have misunderstood parts of the story here and there. Sometimes I think Debbie loves and accepts you unconditionally, other times I think she is unsure of what she should want. A previous thread she had started was called, I Wish my hubby was more like new boyfriend. In it, she described how manly/assertive her new boyfriend was and I supposed that was what she wanted. Since then, she has clarified that she mostly wants to improve her quality of communication with you.
Hopefully there will be more posts on this thread and I'll have some more material come to my mind that I want to post. For now I am mostly just absorbing the broader perspective.
Regards,
Kevin T.
azorkanesbrat
New member
Yeah. That. 2 days, and he's going to move in with you?
It might seem like a short amount of time, but when we have had other men move in with us in the past it was just after they came to see the house and made love with Debbie that they moved in with us.
We have found in the past that men that Debbie enjoyed, sexually, and who had personalities that matched ours, or Debbie's, have turned out to be great friends to both of us and wonderful lovers for Debbie. I have always been a very good judge of character, and we have enjoyed each live-in that has lived with us.
Davison is someone I feel really good about, and Debbie very much likes him and may very well fall in love with him if she hasn't already. I have seen Debbie with innumerable other men, but none of them has made Debbie feel the way Davison has. I believe that Davison has really opened Debbie to a new way of living, in the moment. Debbie has never felt high from sex before. And everything I have tried to teach Debbie about Tantra, she has learned in practice with Davison.
This morning during "church" I saw Debbie like I never have before. She was in an orgasmic state the entire time. When “church” ended, Debbie just lied there. She couldn’t move. Debbie told me that she felt so alive, like never before. Debbie told me that she could still feel Davison and his friends and Stewart throughout every inch of her body. Debbie told me that she loved me, then she asked me if I had the laundry done, folded and put away. I told Debbie that I had done some of it yesterday. Then Debbie sat straight up in bed.
Debbie had that look of disapproval on her face. Debbie asked me if there were still dishes in the sink. I nodded. Debbie then asked me if I had cleaned the cat boxes. Again I nodded. Debbie looked at me and asked what I had done. I told Debbie that I had put most of Davisons clothes in the closet in the spare room and had unpacked his boxes and broke them down and had taken them out. I told Debbie that I had cleaned out her car. She had spilled coffee in it the last time she drove it. So, I detailed her car for her. Debbie was not happy with me.
Debbie told me that she had asked me to have the laundry done, folded and put away yesterday. I told Debbie with everything going on yesterday that I forgot. Debbie asked me why I forgot and I told her I didn’t know. That got her even more mad. I told Debbie that I was sorry and Debbie got out of bed.
Debbie went to the bathroom and brushed her hair and put on some sweats. She then told me that she and Davison were going to take a drive in the mountains, because she had to get out. Debbie then told me that when she got home that she wanted the dishes done and put away, the laundry done, folded and put away and that a new pair of sheets on the bed would be nice. Debbie gave me a peck on the cheek and told me she loved me.
As Debbie and Davison drove away I began thinking about how Davison moving in with us was a good decision. Davison brings out the best in Debbie, whereas I often bring out her worst. I also began thinking today about what I really do for Debbie. She says I am a good house husband, and that when I am in my A game that I do a good job, although she does feel she has to follow behind me to make sure what I said I did and did right.
Debbie Called me shortly after she and Davison left and asked me what my plans were for the day. I told Debbie that I intended to have the dishes done, the laundry completed, folded and put away and I was going to clean the cat boxes and hoped to be able to get both main bathrooms cleaned. Debbie told me that she and Davison were going to go out to dinner. So, that would give me enough time to get everything done, as well as clean the hot tub. I told Debbie that I would do my best to have everything done. Debbie told me that she and Davison wouldn’t be home until after nine or ten o’clock. So, I should have enough time to get everything done.
I have done the laundry and the cat boxes. I have changed the sheets on the bed and put the old ones in the laundry. I have the dishes halfway done, and I have everything ready to clean the bathrooms and the hot tub. I do these things because it makes Debbie happy. And the one thing that makes me happy is making Debbie happy. And Right now Davison is making Debbie happy, too. Davison made love to Debbie most the night last night and then had his friends of his over this morning for “church,” and he is now taking Debbie for a drive in the mountains and out to dinner. I see what Davison is doing with Debbie and what I am doing for Debbie as two men working as a team. We are both doing what we know makes Debbie happy. And I see this working this way for a long time, if Davison stays with us, which I hope he does.
We have found in the past that men that Debbie enjoyed, sexually, and who had personalities that matched ours, or Debbie's, have turned out to be great friends to both of us and wonderful lovers for Debbie. I have always been a very good judge of character, and we have enjoyed each live-in that has lived with us.
Davison is someone I feel really good about, and Debbie very much likes him and may very well fall in love with him if she hasn't already. I have seen Debbie with innumerable other men, but none of them has made Debbie feel the way Davison has. I believe that Davison has really opened Debbie to a new way of living, in the moment. Debbie has never felt high from sex before. And everything I have tried to teach Debbie about Tantra, she has learned in practice with Davison.
This morning during "church" I saw Debbie like I never have before. She was in an orgasmic state the entire time. When “church” ended, Debbie just lied there. She couldn’t move. Debbie told me that she felt so alive, like never before. Debbie told me that she could still feel Davison and his friends and Stewart throughout every inch of her body. Debbie told me that she loved me, then she asked me if I had the laundry done, folded and put away. I told Debbie that I had done some of it yesterday. Then Debbie sat straight up in bed.
Debbie had that look of disapproval on her face. Debbie asked me if there were still dishes in the sink. I nodded. Debbie then asked me if I had cleaned the cat boxes. Again I nodded. Debbie looked at me and asked what I had done. I told Debbie that I had put most of Davisons clothes in the closet in the spare room and had unpacked his boxes and broke them down and had taken them out. I told Debbie that I had cleaned out her car. She had spilled coffee in it the last time she drove it. So, I detailed her car for her. Debbie was not happy with me.
Debbie told me that she had asked me to have the laundry done, folded and put away yesterday. I told Debbie with everything going on yesterday that I forgot. Debbie asked me why I forgot and I told her I didn’t know. That got her even more mad. I told Debbie that I was sorry and Debbie got out of bed.
Debbie went to the bathroom and brushed her hair and put on some sweats. She then told me that she and Davison were going to take a drive in the mountains, because she had to get out. Debbie then told me that when she got home that she wanted the dishes done and put away, the laundry done, folded and put away and that a new pair of sheets on the bed would be nice. Debbie gave me a peck on the cheek and told me she loved me.
As Debbie and Davison drove away I began thinking about how Davison moving in with us was a good decision. Davison brings out the best in Debbie, whereas I often bring out her worst. I also began thinking today about what I really do for Debbie. She says I am a good house husband, and that when I am in my A game that I do a good job, although she does feel she has to follow behind me to make sure what I said I did and did right.
Debbie Called me shortly after she and Davison left and asked me what my plans were for the day. I told Debbie that I intended to have the dishes done, the laundry completed, folded and put away and I was going to clean the cat boxes and hoped to be able to get both main bathrooms cleaned. Debbie told me that she and Davison were going to go out to dinner. So, that would give me enough time to get everything done, as well as clean the hot tub. I told Debbie that I would do my best to have everything done. Debbie told me that she and Davison wouldn’t be home until after nine or ten o’clock. So, I should have enough time to get everything done.
I have done the laundry and the cat boxes. I have changed the sheets on the bed and put the old ones in the laundry. I have the dishes halfway done, and I have everything ready to clean the bathrooms and the hot tub. I do these things because it makes Debbie happy. And the one thing that makes me happy is making Debbie happy. And Right now Davison is making Debbie happy, too. Davison made love to Debbie most the night last night and then had his friends of his over this morning for “church,” and he is now taking Debbie for a drive in the mountains and out to dinner. I see what Davison is doing with Debbie and what I am doing for Debbie as two men working as a team. We are both doing what we know makes Debbie happy. And I see this working this way for a long time, if Davison stays with us, which I hope he does.
SNeacail
New member
WTF! You move in her bf, unpack and put away his stuff, get her car detailed because SHE spilled something and all she can do is focus on the stuff that DIDN'T get done. What was she doing while you were working your ass off? Househusband? It was my understanding that you are the primary wage earner and yet you seem to do the larger portion of the household chores, while she goes off and has sex parties. There is a huge disconnect here and you guys are definitely NOT working as a team.
Completely opposite take
Ray has made it quite clear he wants to be told what to do.
Debbie has been resisting tell Ray and been asking him to act more like a man.
Given that Ray is successful in business, I am going to foolishly state that at work he acts like a man, and when he comes home where in his desire is to allow his likely biological feminine self get full expression.
I am touched that Debbie is getting this and is supporting Ray being Ray and even embracing him being the femRay he wants. I see this new behavior of Debbie's to be encouraging.
She is both supporting Ray and being here now.
I hope in the near future, she will be telling Ray to take a more active role in the Sundays servicing of the men who are coming to worship the Goddess (Debbie ) and one hopes in the near future her Goddessette (Ray).
Ray has hinted, and David has confirmed with the description of his cock covered walls when Ray was married toDavid's mother. Ray has said, he does not wish to be an aggressor, but loves it when Debbie orders him to worship the men's cocks.
Either Debbie during the services is so taken by the rapture she experiences in worshiping the men while they are worshiping her that is is not in the head space to order Ray about, but as High Priestess of these services, I feel she has a duty and responsibility to her novitiate (Ray) to see his role and more active participation or she should look to Davidson, who seems to fit very well into there household, to potentially take to Ordering Ray to service the other men.
Finally, because so much has been made of time and their invitations to Davidson, I would like to add, for three dimensional beings time only exists in a series of Now events. Most people live mainly in the illusion of the past (Now constructs of what they believe happened in the past) and the dream of the future (Now experiences of what they imagine the future could hold), but Debbie made it quite clear her experience with Davidson was magical. Because she experienced likely thousands on Now events, her experience of time is far different than people walking around with RULES like I can't kiss on the first date, or can kiss but no tongue, or kiss and tongue with touching over clothes and all of the different variations people construct to make their lives hopefully more manageable.
As I stated earlier, they are giving him a place to live, not putting his name on the deed to their property. Davidson and Debbie bonded deeply in the Now and a Ray and Debbie who were instructed to live in the now, discussed Davidson's moving in and found themselves in agreement.
We all imagine after x number of days, months and years we know a person, but the fact is there is clear evidence this construct of knowing someone well is also an illusion. For example the husband who looks manly, marries and sires children, but hides that is true nature is he is homosexual. "All these years,mi thought I knew him so well and Now this?" The man did not turn gay overnight, he has been gay for a long time and is finally "letting us know."
Ray has made it quite clear he wants to be told what to do.
Debbie has been resisting tell Ray and been asking him to act more like a man.
Given that Ray is successful in business, I am going to foolishly state that at work he acts like a man, and when he comes home where in his desire is to allow his likely biological feminine self get full expression.
I am touched that Debbie is getting this and is supporting Ray being Ray and even embracing him being the femRay he wants. I see this new behavior of Debbie's to be encouraging.
She is both supporting Ray and being here now.
I hope in the near future, she will be telling Ray to take a more active role in the Sundays servicing of the men who are coming to worship the Goddess (Debbie ) and one hopes in the near future her Goddessette (Ray).
Ray has hinted, and David has confirmed with the description of his cock covered walls when Ray was married toDavid's mother. Ray has said, he does not wish to be an aggressor, but loves it when Debbie orders him to worship the men's cocks.
Either Debbie during the services is so taken by the rapture she experiences in worshiping the men while they are worshiping her that is is not in the head space to order Ray about, but as High Priestess of these services, I feel she has a duty and responsibility to her novitiate (Ray) to see his role and more active participation or she should look to Davidson, who seems to fit very well into there household, to potentially take to Ordering Ray to service the other men.
Finally, because so much has been made of time and their invitations to Davidson, I would like to add, for three dimensional beings time only exists in a series of Now events. Most people live mainly in the illusion of the past (Now constructs of what they believe happened in the past) and the dream of the future (Now experiences of what they imagine the future could hold), but Debbie made it quite clear her experience with Davidson was magical. Because she experienced likely thousands on Now events, her experience of time is far different than people walking around with RULES like I can't kiss on the first date, or can kiss but no tongue, or kiss and tongue with touching over clothes and all of the different variations people construct to make their lives hopefully more manageable.
As I stated earlier, they are giving him a place to live, not putting his name on the deed to their property. Davidson and Debbie bonded deeply in the Now and a Ray and Debbie who were instructed to live in the now, discussed Davidson's moving in and found themselves in agreement.
We all imagine after x number of days, months and years we know a person, but the fact is there is clear evidence this construct of knowing someone well is also an illusion. For example the husband who looks manly, marries and sires children, but hides that is true nature is he is homosexual. "All these years,mi thought I knew him so well and Now this?" The man did not turn gay overnight, he has been gay for a long time and is finally "letting us know."